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[pokerstar77]

Ein easy-one. Nächste Woche gibts was schwieriges
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[stratege]

Für mich - je nach Chipstack - in der ersten runde auch 'n call wert.
kann zwar nicht wissen, wieviele nach mir nach callen und/oder raisen,
aber ne mögliche 2 im Flop gibt mir ne starke hand, die kaum einer der gegner auf der rechnung hat. Falls pre-flop noch ein raise käme, würde ich mich auch trennen.
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[pokerstar77]

Es geht hier um Limit und nicht um No Limit.
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[Parvex]

Ist Geldverschwendung das aus erster Position heraus zu spielen. Die Wahrscheinlichkeit fürs Set liegt zwischen 1-7 und 1-8. Die bekommt man selten zusammen, erst recht nicht wenn der Tisch aggressiv ist, da man damit rechnen muss, geraist (und im schlimmstenfalle gereraist) zu werden.

Im NL sieht die Sache etwas anders, würde hier zwar auch größtenteisl Fold bevorzugen, aber bei passendem M könnte ich mich auch davon überzeugen hier und da mal zu limpen. Im Turnier wäre bei sehr großem M und nicht all zu viele Small und Big Stacks am Tisch der Varianz wegen auch in seltenen Fällen ein Raise drin. Dennoch wäre die erste Tendenz immer fold.
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[ted forrest fan]

Ich habe zwar noch nie limit gespielt, ich würde aber sagen man sollte hier folden in so einer Situation. In Nl wäre es aber ein noch klarerer fold
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[IneffableKoD]

Den widrigen Unständen entsprechend: Fold

Obwohl... Deuces never lose
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[pokerstar77]

[ted forrest fan]

Weil ich von einem Cash-game und nicht Turnier spreche. Ich würde die Hand auch nicht gegen ein spätes Raise spielen( was passieren kann, weil ich in Early-position bin). Wenn ich nach einem möglichem Raise folde( was der Fall sein wird, ausser wenn der Spieler sehr aggressiv ist) habe ich nur Geld verloren. Ausserdem verliert ein 2er Pärchen gegen jede andere Karte, wenn keine 2 kommt. Es ist auch gut möglich, dass nur noch eine 2 im Deck ist ( 8 Spieler).
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[pokerstar77]

Das sagt überings Daniel Negreanu zu small Pairs:

There's been much written on the subject of playing small pairs in Texas Hold'em. Small pairs consist of 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5 and 6-6. With so many words devoted to the topic, it's obvious that there are opposing theories regarding the best way to play them.

Here are my suggestions.

Unlike higher pairs, small pairs should not be played in all situations. Several factors determine whether you should enter a pot with a small pair: position, chip count, number of players, and cost to play.

In a typical ten-handed game, playing a small pair from early position simply won't show you a profit at the end of the year.

Your chip count and your opponent's stack size are also important considerations when deciding to call. If a player raises to 600 and only has 500 left, it's just not worth trying to catch trips on the flop, since you'll only be able to win an additional 500.

If, however, both you and your opponent have 30,000 in front of you, it makes more sense to see a flop for 600. If you're lucky enough to catch a set on the flop, you'll win a monster pot.

The number of players needs to be a considered, too, especially in a structured, limit game. Small pairs fare fine against one opponent, but generally don't do well in three or four-handed pots. However, if there are five or more players, you'd be getting excellent value. Go ahead and try to hit your set.

Small pairs want to see the flop as cheaply as possible. If someone just calls the big blind in front of you, then you can limp along for the minimum bet, hoping to capitalize after the flop. However, if the blinds are, say, 100-200, and an opponent raises the pot to 1,500, that's just too large a bet for you to stick around.

Once you've actually gotten to a flop, how you proceed depends on the number of opponents in the pot. If there are several players remaining, you should only continue if you flop three of a kind.

Against one or two opponents, though, you've got my green light to take one more shot at winning the pot. When choosing to do that, flop texture is of the utmost importance.

Suppose you're in a three-way pot and the flop comes Qh-10d-9h. This is a horrible flop for your lowly pair of fives; if anyone bets, fold. Even if they don't bet, you shouldn't try a bluff here, since it's far too likely that one of your opponents has something to go with that flop, like J-10 or Q-K.

A better texture would look something like Q-Q-3 or K-7-2.

With these flops, you can go ahead and bet your small pairs. Your opponents will probably fold unless they have a queen or king. If you consider yourself an aggressive player, you might try raising with these hands on occasion.

The best time to raise is when you're looking to steal the blinds. This strategy only works if no one has entered the pot before you. Also, being in late position increases the chances of the play being successful. If you raise from early position, there are too many hands to act behind you that might call.

When you raise with a small pair in position, you must play it strong after the flop. If an opponent in the blind calls your raise, then you must bet on virtually any flop -- even a flop as ugly as A-K-Q! Because you raised pre-flop, he'll think that you improved your hand. If he has a hand like Q-9, you'll probably win the pot with an aggressive bet.

Here's my rule of thumb: When playing small pairs, play them cheaply if you can, and only continue after the flop if you hit your trips.
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[ted forrest fan]

Ich stimme mit Mister Negreanu überein.
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[Puschi]

Ich finde es kommt ganz auf mein stack an, wenn ich chip leader bin mit gutem 'vorsprung' würd eich mir schon mal den flop angucken beim low stack klarer fold.

[pokerstar77]

Cashgame wirst Du aber in so einem Maße nicht Chipleader sein

Ich persönlich denke in niedrigen Stacks, mit generell vielen Limpern und wenig Aggesivität, sollte man Small Pairs limpen.

Small Pairs werfen, wenn sie treffen, die höchsten Profite bei NL ab, da sie nämlich längst nicht so leicht zu durchschauen sind wie Flushs oder Straights.
Un es kommt häufig genug vor das bei vielen Limpern jemand 2 Paare trifft und ein All-In mitgeht oder selber All-In geht


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[bonsai71]

[pokerstar77]

Selbstverständlich.

Wie Daniel ja sagt :"Here's my rule of thumb: When playing small pairs, play them cheaply if you can, and only continue after the flop if you hit your trips."
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